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Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Anyone who expects fast flying aircraft to be in the heavy class with more eHp than a dropship are going to be sorely disappointing. Who said its going to be fast?
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote CCP has never even indirectly stated what their plans for Heavy Air Vehicles looks like. We have LAV, HAV, dropship (light land, heavy land, medium air) We've seen models for MAV, Speeders, Jets (Medium land, light land, light air) That leaves one single vehicle category completely enshrouded by mystery. The Heavy Air Vehicle. Obviously CCP hasn't even got concept art for it yet, let alone any idea how they want it to work. Which is sad because this is going to be one of the more interesting vehicles in the game I think. I hope they say something about it in my lifetime or show us a preview of what to expect.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:08:00 - [3] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: xSaloLx wrote: Gunships. EHP of a tank, lower speed than a std dropship, can't fly very high but can fit 6 small turrets (3 each side) and one large or medium turret up front. Good luck getting that through AR supremist without an OP rant I think forge gunners would welcome new targets.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:13:00 - [4] - Quote I don't see the problem with a "Flying tank" Or heavily armored gunship. The secret advantage of Tanks and LAV's right now over dropships (other than DS being paper) is the Fact that they are on the ground. Or rather, they are constantly LOS and have many obstacles to move around or behind in order to rep up or hide from Forge Guns and swarms. In the air there is no cover. Imagine a HAV as it is now, except flying in the air and fairly slow. The thing would almost be a joke, it'd be so easy to kill. Any AV on the map could target it from anywhere and if it got close to the ground it might die from collision impacts or flip over. Or get stuck as it's landing gear glues it to one spot for being too too low. Such a tank would be demolished in moments. So what is the problem with a heavy aircraft vehicle again?
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:25:00 - [5] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: darkiller240 wrote: So dropships are medium expensive paper weight, still hasent been fixed. SOON we Will have 'fighter' crafts (cheap assult dropships) wich Will be' nice But as i recently discovered the 'bomber' that were getting is just an expensive paper weight with bombs Where is our heavy aircraft? The thing is its a HEAVY. Look at heavy suits we only have one. Anything with heavy is done LAST. Its sad but true You might be onto something. Seriously. Give heavies some more interesting weapons than the jack-of-all-trades forge gun so that if it gets nerfed they won't QQ about how CCP hates their frames.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:32:00 - [6] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: xSaloLx wrote: Gunships. EHP of a tank, lower speed than a std dropship, can't fly very high but can fit 6 small turrets (3 each side) and one large or medium turret up front. Hell no. All those guns would take so much PG/CPU and all the offense in the world won't save it from the fact that it's a slow moving vehicle in the air where everything can fire at it and it has no cover. Nor the range to counter so. I agree 6 turrets is silly but the point is Heavy Aircraft in general is nothing to be apprehensive about
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:06:00 - [7] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: So what is the problem with a heavy aircraft vehicle again? The problem was Fixed Wing Heavy Aircraft. Because high eHP and good mobility will equal invulnerability in this game. L-LAVs have pretty much proven that. The only counter then would be Stinger missiles and some variant of the Aegis Combat System. Not to mention it would be a big middle finger to Dropships. I don't foresee CCP putting out vehicles with the eHP of a HAV, speed of a LAV, and mobility of a Dropship. Wait I'm so confused. Who was talking about fixed wing anything or fast "air tanks" ? I don't think any person is suggesting there should be jets moving at jet speed that are tankier than a HAV (See also, current logi LAV's lol) PS LAV's are so survivable not just because of their speed but because they are on the ground, able to go between buildings, under bridges, and around all sorts of things. A heavy air vehicle would neither be that fast nor able to squeeze between and hide under such cover. I'm not sure what you're on about..
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:16:00 - [8] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: gbghg wrote: Probably still stuck in the art department. This CPM stated in IRC that the art department is actually not the holdup, as revealed to them by CCP in conversations. Basically Heavy Aircraft Vehicle has not yet been discussed or brainstormed by developers since they sat around a table and said "Yeah, we'll have them". They are stuck in the idea department. Several floors below the "We got screwed with Carbon by PS3" and then "Wow...We really ****ed up, time to spend a year doing quick patches to hardly salvage things" departments..
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:31:00 - [9] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Wait I'm so confused. Who was talking about fixed wing anything or fast "air tanks" ? I don't think any person is suggesting there should be jets moving at jet speed that are tankier than a HAV (See also, current logi LAV's lol) PS LAV's are so survivable not just because of their speed but because they are on the ground, able to go between buildings, under bridges, and around all sorts of things. A heavy air vehicle would neither be that fast nor able to squeeze between and hide under such cover. I'm not sure what you're on about.. It's completely my fault. Sorry Nguruthos. My sarcasm radar failed. Oh that's okay. I hadn't read all the posts, I was wondering if some moron actually suggested for some tank jet abomination. I would expect this to look something like the mothership from starcraft 2. Maybe it could have a good top speed but only after immensely* slow build up.

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